Ever since Clif Kosterman has joined Twitter and ever since I have started this blog (and got a matching twitter account) there has been a group of people that has reacted with a lot of criticism towards us. They claim that ‘the majority’ of fans feels embarrassed by Clif and those supporting him, that fighting against posers is silly and pointless, that we should get lives, that Clif only wants a piece of Jared and Jensen’s fame, and so forth.
While these allegations don’t bother me, personally, I’ve come to ask myself what kind of ‘fans’ these people are.
What is a fan?
A fan, short for fanatic, aficionado, or supporter is someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person (usually a celebrity), group of persons, company, product, activity, work of art, idea, or trend. Fans of a particular thing or person constitute its fanbase or fandom. (Wikipedia)
By that definition and the one most of us will agree to, a fan is a person that adores something passionately. Now, if you’re only a fan of Supernatural as a show and not of the people involved the following doesn’t apply to you, but if you are a fan of Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles that means, by definition, you have an intense liking for them. In return, intensely liking someone should, by my definition, include caring about what that someone wants and respecting their wishes.
Jared and Jensen have clearly shown by making their statement video that they do not approve of the fakers. And common sense alone tells us that they certainly don’t approve of people threatening and insulting their fiancées. Especially Danneel Harris has been a victim of a lot of abuse for a very long time. The opponents of this campaign say everyone with a normally functioning brain should get who the fakers are, yet they feel perfectly fine about insulting the people their supposed Idols care about.
The allegation that Clif only wants to be in the spot light and does something Jared and Jensen are most likely ashamed of has no grounds whatsoever. As you can see in the video they are saying Clif is their guy and that their fans should follow him. How much sense does it make that their bodyguard decides to get a twitter account over their heads, without their approval and support? How much sense does it make to say that Jared and Jensen don’t care about the impostors at all and that they find it embarrassing how Clif polices them? None, if you ask me.
So clearly, Clif is doing what Jared and Jensen want. And furthermore Fandompolice is doing the same. Why do some ‘fans’ still try to put us in a bad light and color us the bad guys? What exactly is wrong with trying to rid the fandom of trolling haters that show no respect whatsoever towards their fellow fans and their idols?
Oh right, freedom of speech. If freedom of speech was, in reality, absolutely untouchable and irrevocable, there would be no censorship at all. People could express libel and slander without being sued, others could sexually harass their coworkers and not lose their job, newspapers would never have to print retractions, you could insult a police man without consequences, pupils could treat their teachers and classmates disrespectfully and forum owners would never ban trolls. There is a difference with what you are legally allowed to express freely or what you can express in your own area of influence and what you express within a community and thereby abide to the community’s rules. Twitter is a community with rules, and all of us signed up there in awareness of that policy. Those of you that now refer to freedom of speech in a partially restricted community should maybe consider moving on to places where there are no restrictions at all.
In short: Twitter made the rules, not I or Clif or Jensen and Jared. There are people that are severely breaking the rules and with that disturbing those that trusted these rules being implemented.
I don’t see why insisting on the compliance of these rules is anything wrong. And I certainly don’t see why opposing openly rude and hostile people is anything shameful and stupid either.
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I’ve been a participant in three major Fandoms and although I’ve witnessed a lot of what I refer to as tinhat syndrome I’ve tried to keep from getting in the middle of it until now.
In the beginning I told a friend that the SPN Fandom had the potential to surpass the XF Fandom in tinhat syndrome depending on the fans. I was right. I’ve watched this Fandom, very much like the mythical ouroborus, eat itself up from the inside out.
When all the crazy hit the fan about Clif and what he was doing I was ashamed not of what he chose to do, but rather the handful of so-called fans who took it upon themselves to speak for the rest of us. I agreed with what Clif chose to do and even told a friend “Do they really think that J2 is not behind him on this? They apparently, believe the boys are idiots and clueless.”
I would be told I was a part of the fandom police as opposed to a delusional tinhat who thinks I speak for people I don’t even know. Hell, I might be considered a fandom police member for reporting Jensen’s internet stalker to a number of sites for claiming he’s her husband. *snorts* If that’s the case I would wear the badge proudly.
No one speaks for me and I will continue to support Clif for sniffing out the pervs and asshats who are impersonating both the boys. Someone has to do it before one of those impersonator stories ends in tragedy instead of just embarrassment.
Great article as always. I don’t understand why people are against getting rid of the fakers, especially since Jared and Jensen and now Gen have spoken out against them.
Clif has always said he was working for the boys and had their permission to do what he was doing.
The Danneel hate has always puzzled me. She and Jensen have been friends for a long time before they started dating. It’s not like it’s a surprise they’re together. And she’s always seemed like a nice person in interviews and her tweets.
Thank you very much for your brilliant comments, Jenshih and Karmyn. If you ever want to participate in this project actively I’d be very happy to get your input and ideas.
Firstly I need more promotion (e.g. affiliates), and then, secondly, some ideas to get the attention of the right people, i.e. Twitter management, webmasters of other communities where Stephanie Ware has posted false info etc., so that these articles get deleted.
And of course what ever other ideas you might have to proceed with this project. Feel free to contact me anytime, either here or via twitter: @fandompolice or @rhiannon1307
It’s nice to see that the definition of fan is so clear cut. I always thought I could be a fan of someone and also be critical of their actions. Now I see I have to support everything they do with blind faith! I guess I should rethink my views on Roman Polanski. If I’m a fan of his work I must accept everything he does! THANKS FANDOM POLICE.
I need to change my view on Clif too. It’s normal for celebrity bodyguards to be so involved with fans and make the kinds of comments he does. I was critical of the time he told someone he suspected to be a pedophile to go to the playground and cruise for their next victim but I was wrong. That was completely in line and I’m sure Jared and Jensen are aware of that.
It’s also normal for people to tell others who they should or should not follow. I wasn’t aware that the parody twitters were so evil but now I’ll make sure that everyone knows we should only follow those with the fandompolice stamp of approval. Thanks again guys!
“Now, if you’re only a fan of Supernatural as a show and not of the people involved the following doesn’t apply to you,…”
This doesn’t contradict what you just said. If you’re just a fan of Jared’s and/or Jensen’s work in SPN and not them as people, then the following doesn’t apply.
And nobody ever said anything about not being critical. But there’s a huge difference between being critical and rude.
And if you go through the entry again you’ll see that I also never said the parody imporstors are evil. You can read.
“In return, intensely liking someone should, by my definition, include caring about what that someone wants and respecting their wishes.” This may not absolutely state that people should not follow parody twitters or pay attention to it but it is strongly implied.
“The allegation that Clif only wants to be in the spot light and does something Jared and Jensen are most likely ashamed of has no grounds whatsoever. As you can see in the video they are saying Clif is their guy and that their fans should follow him.” Jared and Jensen have people that should be handling these sort of things. If you think endorsing a person that “jokingly” tells pedophiles to go to the playground is acceptable behavior and that Jared and Jensen shouldn’t be embarrassed for endorsing it there is nothing that anyone can say to you to convince you otherwise.
I’m sorry that you feel that fandom is such serious business that you have to spend your free time policing the “crazies”. What I fail to see is the need for this kind of “policing” and Clif’s continued presence. He has gotten the videos on the internet for Jared, Jensen and Genevieve. People keep sending them to one another and his oafish presence is more embarrassing than anything. Every celebrity has haters and disillusioned people who will constantly call them out. Is this acceptable behavior? Absolutely not. Everyone wishes these people would go away but going about things this way makes you seem self-righteous and condescending.
Maybe Clif stays around because people like him. Plus, protecting Jared and Jensen is his job. That’s what a bodyguard does.
And sometimes the crazies turn dangerous. There have been people killed by stalkers, people’s families threatened by stalkers, and stalkers who harm or kill themselves.
@Lindsey:
“This may not absolutely state that people should not follow parody twitters or pay attention to it but it is strongly implied.”
Please point out to me where I have said that people shouldn’t follow the parody fakers. If you read through my blog entries again you will see that the great majority of them, also the innitial few posts, are about the more serious impostors. I only added the “funny” fakers recently and I said:
“Most of them are merely making fun of him and the people they are impersonating (in a more or less rude way). They’re sort of amusing and very obvious, so nothing to worry about. Yet worth mentioning just in case there might be any confusion (although I doubt anyone will take them seriously).”
Just in CASE anyone gets confused and thinks e.g. Genny Cortese is real or clifkosterman is the real deal etc.
“If you think endorsing a person that “jokingly” tells pedophiles to go to the playground is acceptable behavior…”
I agree that this comment was unwisely spoken, but I am also pretty sure it was just a slip and creates a different impression than what he meant by it. People sometimes express themselves poorly and say something wrong. Happens to ALL of us. And before you say the same applies to the fakers: no it doesn’t because they lie and fool others constantly and on purpose.
“What I fail to see is the need for this kind of “policing” and Clif’s continued presence.”
I fail to see the need for a lot of things too, be it in fandom or in real life. But the thing is that each person has different priorities, hobbies or ways to handle certain things.
What I really completely fail to see the need for is YOU policing me because I police others. Unlike Stephanie Ware I have never threatened or insulted someone without any justification. I don’t go about telling Danneel Harris she’s a fugly tranny just because I’m so delusional not to see that my little Jensen fantasy is never going to come true. And I don’t spend a great deal of my free time to find ways of insulting and hurting other people in ways that no human being with a healthy sense of social behaviour would do.
If you think that’s self righteous then that’s your opinion. You don’t have to follow me or Clif or read my blog.
There IS a difference between what we personally find annoying or don’t agree with and something that the majority of people find wrong in an ethical and moral context.
Seconding Lindsay’s comment about failing to see the need for this kind of policing.
I understand Clif doing it – it may be ill-advised but it does fall under his purview to some extent – but I really don’t see the need for your presence in fandom.
Jared and Jensen have made it very clear they don’t have a twitter and the video of them saying exactly that has been linked all across fandom, including the superwiki and on twitter itself. The fakes know they’re fake, the people following the fakes know they’re fakes, and anyone else who might be confused has the video or Clif himself as a source of reference.
With that in mind, can you please explain to me why you think this site is remotely necessary? Because as far as I can see, you’re not keeping fandom “fun or safe” and I for one am embarrassed to share a fandom with you.
@ fandompolice
“I don’t go about telling Danneel Harris she’s a fugly tranny just because I’m so delusional not to see that my little Jensen fantasy is never going to come true.”
What if I want to share my opinion of her and her looks, and it has NOTHING to do with Jensen? I DO think she’s a fugly tranny (ok, I wouldn’t use those words. more like horse-faced famewhore), but that has nothing to do with how I feel about Jensen. In fact, I’m a lesbian and have no delusions about whether or not I’ll ever have some kind of intimate relationship with the guy. He’s an actor on a show I like and he happens to be engaged to a woman that I find ridiculously unattractive with a horrible personality (and don’t get me started on her lack of acting skills).
You can’t exactly tell me I’m not allowed to voice my opinion just because it’s “rude”.
Honestly, I think you, Clif, and the Misha’s Minions that are running that blog need to STFD, STFU, and GTFO of fandom. You’re embarrassing the hell out of those of us who have lives and are intelligent, rational adults. The fact that Clif had Jensen & Jared make that video goes so far beyond his job duties, it makes me sick. He’s not employed for that kind of thing. He’s supposed to PHYSICALLY protect the guys, not troll the internet for “crazies” and “fakers”. Y’all need to just step off.
Word to Lindsey, Anna and Kaitlyn comments, and I’m just sad and embarrassed to be a minion, since it appears to be running by MishasMinions.com. It supposed to be fun and positive, not turning into ‘fandom police’ (((
How glad I am to see other rational people here and not just the blind delusional part of the fandom praising everything Clif says and everything Clif makes the poor Jensen, Jared and now even Gen say. As if the first video wasn’t embarrassing enough, he has to come back and try again, making the poor Gen look miserable and make a fool of herself. I don’t really like her (and be assured it has nothing to do with her relation with Jared) but I found myself feeling for her, openly admitting she’s too dumb for twitter…
If Clif really wants to turn into a PR person, he should learn a few basic things and I’d say the first one is to NOT make your clients look stupid, bored or annoyed when addressing fans.
This whole batshit video disaster actually made me hope there would be no Season6 of Supernatural… but maybe turning the fans away was the purpose of it. Although Clif was probably the #1 supporter of S6, since he would have lost his job as “bodyguard4JandJ” if SPN had ended there.
What I still can’t understand is how/why no one from SN or CW stepped in sooner if at all to put an end to what is one of the worst PR moves in TV.
I have no problem with Clif being on twitter. It’s a free zone and everyone is welcome to share bits and pieces of his life. My problem is when he’s being rude, insulting and stupid in the name of J2. Using them to reach out to the fandom and make a name of his own (if “bodyguard4jandJ” can be considered a a name) If you like the guy without actually knowing much about him, fine, it’s all up to you, but how many out there are following him and pretend to like him just for what he represents, in few words, a way to get 1st hand infos on J2 and the illusional/delusional feeling to be somewhat closer to them?
I’ll have to agree with Lindsay & Kaitlyn. Who do you think you and Robin are to proclaim yourself Protectors of the fandom, keeping it safe and fun? What exactly is it that you are seeking to get out of that, if anything else than some recognition, a way to stand out in the mass of fans and hopefully make yourselves known by I wonder who? I got nothing. You tell people to get a life, how ironical when you’re the one spending more time and energy than anyone else tilting at windmills, trying to build a utopian fandom world.
If “true” fans are supposed to be bowing without thinking and questioning, jumping when told to jump, then I’ll happily remove myself from this sect and keep my own mind. I guess the world of fakes is a lot more entertaining than your world. You wanted to get rid of fakes? Well congratulations, you just created thousands of fakes fans!
Happy?
Now you can unleash the cockapoos.
This isn’t much about haters hating on Danneel or Genevieve. I think it got something to do with the fact that noone gave you guys the right to police us. Putting yourself into a position that clearly speaks of how you are elitist fans.
It was pretty okay, when you guys started the whole “don’t follow fakers”-thing, but this is getting too far. You are not in any place to say how a “good” fan should behave. Fandom is a free place and telling the people that they are no fans if they don’t support every single step the boys make is a dumb, dumb move.
Regarding twitter: Those people over there are getting paid to do their job. All we can do is blocking the creepers and stalkers. This whole police thing can’t do shit. Why do you think that what you do makes the stalkers disappear? Instead of being helpful, all I can see you guys doing is blaming everything on the “bad” fans who don’t support what you are doing. What if those fans don’t actually support the fakers/stalkers, but just want to be left in peace? What if those fans are just monumentally pissed off because of the way YOU are strutting around like you know what’s good and what’s bad for ALL OF US and they just don’t want to cooperate. Does that make them bad stalkers-supporting non-fans?
And before you’re asking: I don’t hate Danneel. I don’t hate Genevieve. I’m not jealous of either of them and I don’t give a flying fuck to what that bodyguard is doing IN MY FUCKING FANDOM (okay, I do, but that’s another issue). I’m just really really irritated and kinda pissed…
I’m not from an english speaking country. So please forgive my bad wording (you can actually point them out if you want. I’m still learning.)
Like I said before, you can help as much as you want, but please, step off that high horse of yours and stick with the helping. And the helping ONLY.
And the name “Fandom Police” sucks. It just screams trouble.
Just because I am a fan of the Js and SPN doesn’t mean I have to like Clif and the “policing” he does. As a BODYGUARD he should NOT be on twitter or livejournal, but rather doing his job.
The Js have said many times that they do not have twitter or fb or w/e else there is out there at cons, so people that follow these fake accounts KNOW that this is not the real Jensen or Jared. For them to come out with a video and tell the fandom that they don’t have twitter for the gajillionth time is rather insulting to me, because to me it seems like the Js are trying to say “You are a fu*kin moron, why are you a fan?”
I have no doubt that the Js were aware of Clif’s twitter, prior to their PSA. However, I do not think that they were aware of ALL the stupid things Clif has tweeted such as telling a potential pedophile to go cruise a playground, otherwise Jared would not have been singing his praises so freely. By him saying that Clif speaks for them, it doesnt only apply to positive tweets, but the negative as well. IF someone like Clif was representing me/spoke for me on a social network, I would be ashamed and embarassed to have such person represent me.
Whats further insulting is the need to this fandom police business. I understand that your intentions are good but for someone to come out and censor me is not cool. And if there is a serious situation, the wronged party should be the one to contact the authroties or the higer-ups of twitter and let them know of the situation, because what you are doing has no effect. Case in point, since the videos there have been at least 20 fake accounts claiming to be Jensen&Jared.
Genevieve and Danneel will always have haters and most of these people that insult them are just jealous teenagers. They have been in this business for a long time and I’m sure they have a way of dealing with hate comments (i.e. blocking). IF they really want to reduce the amount of hate that comes to their attention there are ways of preventing this, one being not having a twitter to send out hugs to your haters. If you don’t want to hear what people say about you, don’t put yourself out there – pretty simple if you ask me. I’m not saying that they should lock themselves in their homes and never come out, but rather don’t make youself an open target for hate and other hurtful comments. If you don’t want drama don’t go looking for it. They are not the helpless victims you make them out to be.
I’ve been following all the comments so far and I can only set here and shake my head at some of the things that have been said. It’s never a good thing to TWA (type while angry). That always leads to trouble with a capital T.
I’m getting the impression that a small percentage of folks have a skewed perspective of what has been happening. So even though I might be jumped for my opinion I’m still going to share. I’m mature enough to listen if there is a genuine educated point you’re trying to get across. Of course, insulting people and their intelligence will only result in anything legitimate you have to offer to be lost in translation.
Clif Kosterman being a parent was horrified by the incident that started this entire fan war. He acted on those instincts and perhaps he said things that were inappropriate in the heat of the moment. I do not agree with everything he’s said, but I can understand his feelings about the situation. I also beg the indulgence of those who feel that Jared, Jensen, and Genevieve were forced to do something that they did not want to do. Do any of you truly believe that?
This all started when a man (more than likely a child molester/rapist) represented himself as Jensen which in and of itself is ILLEGAL. Ever heard of identity theft/fraud? Identity theft/fraud is not always about monetary gain.
The US Justice Dept. website http://www.justice.gov/describes it as terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person’s personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain.
Now that this has been said. Yes, perhaps Clif did not go about it in a way that others would. We can all have our opinions because this is a free country and all its citizens are blessed with free speech but there is a huge difference between free speech and defamation.
Expert Law’s website http://www.expertlaw.com/ defines Defamation as the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.
Interested in further information check out this link: http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html#1
Sadly, our laws have not caught up to our technology. I quote this because the internet culture and fandom in particular have for some time believed they have free reign to say and do as they please. It has sadly become the technological age’s version of the school playground.
Bullies run rampant, verbally attacking people who dare to speak their mind. There are billions of people on-line at any given time from numerous cultures and what we all need to remember is sometimes there is a barrier between these cultures that often is difficult to hurdle. What is seen as socially acceptable in one culture may not be understood or accepted in another.
Clif may be just a bodyguard in your eyes, but he also considers his clients to be friends. Being a bodyguard is not always about caring for just the physical aspect of the client, it also may include the protection of their reputation as well as their psychological well being.
If I were Jensen and what happened came to my attention I would be devastated. To have someone impersonate you in an attempt to lure a teenager away from their home–for a purpose we’ll thankfully never know–could have affected not only his personal life, but his career as well.
If everyone who saw a crime did nothing, the police would be unable to catch the bad guy. Our streets would be far more dangerous than they are now. That is why I supported Clif even though I might not have approve of everything he’s said. His heart was in the right place.
Before anyone decides to jump in and yell I must state that I’m just a humble fan who follows the work of two actors whom I admire and that inspire my muse on occasion with their talent. I’ll more than likely never meet these two men, I have no delusions about them belonging to me, and I do not agree with everything they say and do. I’m happy that they have both found people to share their lives with and they have my support in their careers. Just because I support them doesn’t mean I am blind to the fact that they are human and thus they’re flawed and possess the foibles that come with that state of being.
Of course, it has sadly become a fact that celebrities have been elevated to the point that non-celebrity people seem to worship them as gods who should be beyond flaws. Yeah, American Gods–thank you for that term Mr. Neil Gaimen.
I’m sorry Jenshih, for some reason your comment was labelled spam. Only saw that now. And thank you so much for your time and effort on writing this. I’m impressed and glad to see that someone like you, who appears to be very intelligent and literate (slight pun intended to those that accused me of not being literate) is on my side.
That’s not actually a pun.
This is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but it is. So you “fans”, who decide that name-calling people and basically being mean and vulgar to other fans, are the true fans? I can handle that. What I can’t handle is that everyone seems to be forgetting one little thing: Clif twittered to sexyjensenlol that he needed to get off the Internet and go skulk around a PLAYGROUND. Is that any better? I guess you “true fans” are saying that it is.
Oh, and another thing: the people who flame Danneel and Genevieve probably aren’t teenagers. I’m 16, and I’M NOT JEALOUS/CRAZY/STALKERISH.
I’m so sick of you ADULTS who go around and act like 5 YEAR OLDS blaming YOUR mistakes and crazy fans as being teenagers.
Everyone needs to grow up and let Jared and Jensen live their lives, in private. You’re not police – neither you nor Clif should be able to go to a person’s site and call them fakers or posers.
Have you noticed that the more you say, the more Clif twitters about fakers and posers, MORE posers create accounts? And more than 75% of these “fakers” are creating parodies of the actors! It’s FUNNY!
But no. Fandompolice and Clif had to take it on their shoulders and say they were doing something virtuous. You’re not – you’re embarrassing the Supernatural fandom. I get that you think what you’re doing is right – but you’re just letting the posers have more and more fun.
Danneel and Genevieve aren’t as helpless as you make them out to be, either. I know for a fact that Danneel has been rude to several of her followers – she’s not an angel.
*sigh* I really thought that you “adults” would have figured out by now that drama only creates more drama. Maybe you should go back to high school – it’s the perfect place for people who go around insulting people and calling them names.
Clif is taking things much too far, and I don’t believe either Jared or Jensen would be proud of all the negative comments he’s making. If Jared and Jensen ever thank their fans for helping out with Twitter, I can safely say that they aren’t talking about the people who insult and aggravate ‘posers’ – they’re going to be thanking the people who rolled their eyes and kept their noses out of it.
Just saying.
I’m so sick of you ADULTS who go around and act like 5 YEAR OLDS blaming YOUR mistakes and crazy fans as being teenagers.
May I point out that stating this is no different than the previous person blaming it on the teenagers. I do not blame teenagers for anything. As a matter of fact I know that some of the worst fans are over the age of 30.
These fans also have serious psychological issues that they are ignoring in favor of living in a fantasy world. I’ve myself dislike being called a fan because of the negativity attached to that word. I follow the actors careers, enjoy the show for the fantastic writing, and yes I will not lie–I enjoy the eye-candy. I’m 42 not dead. LOL
What I can’t handle is that everyone seems to be forgetting one little thing: Clif twittered to sexyjensenlol that he needed to get off the Internet and go skulk around a PLAYGROUND.
Yes, what he said was inappropriate. No one approves of that statement–No one! Those of us who have been in the heat of the moment in similar situations though know that when you’re frustrated and angry it doesn’t matter how old or intelligent you are, you can and will often say stupid shit. That’s only human. We after all are emotional creatures and that coupled with our natural flaws often create volatile situations. That’s how wars are started.
Fandompolice and Clif had to take it on their shoulders and say they were doing something virtuous. You’re not – you’re embarrassing the Supernatural fandom.
Again may I point out that this statement is no different than numerous ones other ones people here have said that upset you. I’m a part of the Supernatural fandom and I can tell you that neither Clif or the Fandompolice embarrass me. Perhaps, certain statements or reactions may make me shake my head, but they have never embarrassed me nor any of my friends in the fandom either. Sadly I can’t say that is true of every person or organization I’ve met over the years.
Danneel and Genevieve aren’t as helpless as you make them out to be, either. I know for a fact that Danneel has been rude to several of her followers – she’s not an angel.
Yes, you’re right, they aren’t helpless, but when we really like someone we can and will become a tad bit overprotective of that person. Just as in RL we are overprotective at times of both our friends and our significant others, our feelings for our favorite actors/actresses and make us do the same.
Clif is taking things much too far, and I don’t believe either Jared or Jensen would be proud of all the negative comments he’s making. If Jared and Jensen ever thank their fans for helping out with Twitter, I can safely say that they aren’t talking about the people who insult and aggravate ‘posers’ – they’re going to be thanking the people who rolled their eyes and kept their noses out of it.
Jared and Jensen both know what Clif is doing. They made the video to state that neither of them social network. To quote you’re own statement with a slight change of names “Jared and Jensen are not as helpless as you might think.” And I would like to add “Nor are they clueless.”
And you guys are starting to act like Hitler Youth. They did everything Hitler told them to – and they gave up fellow members because they were accused of doing something “suspicious”. You’re being just as petty as they were. Grow up.
Now, this statement just stole my breath away. Comparing a small group of fans who wish to make fandom safer and fun to the Hilter Youth? Come on. Do a little reading
I’m so sick of you ADULTS who go around and act like 5 YEAR OLDS blaming YOUR mistakes and crazy fans as being teenagers.
May I point out that stating this is no different than the previous person blaming it on the teenagers. I do not blame teenagers for anything. As a matter of fact I know that some of the worst fans are over the age of 30.
These fans also have serious psychological issues that they are ignoring in favor of living in a fantasy world. I’ve myself dislike being called a fan because of the negativity attached to that word. I follow the actors careers, enjoy the show for the fantastic writing, and yes I will not lie–I enjoy the eye-candy. I’m 42 not dead. LOL
What I can’t handle is that everyone seems to be forgetting one little thing: Clif twittered to sexyjensenlol that he needed to get off the Internet and go skulk around a PLAYGROUND.
Yes, what he said was inappropriate. No one approves of that statement–No one! Those of us who have been in the heat of the moment in similar situations though know that when you’re frustrated and angry it doesn’t matter how old or intelligent you are, you can and will often say stupid shit. That’s only human. We after all are emotional creatures and that coupled with our natural flaws often create volatile situations. That’s how wars are started.
Fandompolice and Clif had to take it on their shoulders and say they were doing something virtuous. You’re not – you’re embarrassing the Supernatural fandom.
Again may I point out that this statement is no different than numerous ones other ones people here have said that upset you. I’m a part of the Supernatural fandom and I can tell you that neither Clif or the Fandompolice embarrass me. Perhaps, certain statements or reactions may make me shake my head, but they have never embarrassed me nor any of my friends in the fandom either. Sadly I can’t say that is true of every person or organization I’ve met over the years.
Danneel and Genevieve aren’t as helpless as you make them out to be, either. I know for a fact that Danneel has been rude to several of her followers – she’s not an angel.
Yes, you’re right, they aren’t helpless, but when we really like someone we can and will become a tad bit overprotective of that person. Just as in RL we are overprotective at times of both our friends and our significant others, our feelings for our favorite actors/actresses and make us do the same.
Clif is taking things much too far, and I don’t believe either Jared or Jensen would be proud of all the negative comments he’s making. If Jared and Jensen ever thank their fans for helping out with Twitter, I can safely say that they aren’t talking about the people who insult and aggravate ‘posers’ – they’re going to be thanking the people who rolled their eyes and kept their noses out of it.
Jared and Jensen both know what Clif is doing. They made the video to state that neither of them social network. To quote you’re own statement with a slight change of names “Jared and Jensen are not as helpless as you might think.” And I would like to add “Nor are they clueless.”
And you guys are starting to act like Hitler Youth. They did everything Hitler told them to – and they gave up fellow members because they were accused of doing something “suspicious”. You’re being just as petty as they were. Grow up.
Now, this statement just stole my breath away. Comparing a small group of fans who wish to make fandom safer and fun to the Hilter Youth? Come on. Do a little reading that is frankly the most ridiculous comparison I’ve ever seen. I see where you’re coming from, but the Hitler you turned friends over who ended up either dead or imprisoned for life–neither of which will happen in this situation.
Fandom is not that damned serious and to believe it is requires more serious thought.
Oh, and by the way? Don’t tell me how a “good” fan should act. That’s bullshit.
And you guys are starting to act like Hitler Youth. They did everything Hitler told them to – and they gave up fellow members because they were accused of doing something “suspicious”. You’re being just as petty as they were. Grow up.
So Clif shouldn’t be on Twitter or Facebook or anything because he’s a bodyguard? Ever stop to think that Clif has a life outside of his job? Because he does. yeah,the playground comment was wrong. Get over it.
I’m not a fan of Gen. But I don’t go around spewing hate towards her. I am a fan of Danneel. If you don’t like somebody, fine. But that doesn’t give you the right to threaten her as so many haters have. She has her own career and doesn’t have to rely on Jensen to get work. Gen has her own career without Jared.
>>So Clif shouldn’t be on Twitter or Facebook or anything because he’s a bodyguard?
No, but he doesn’t position his twitter as private person’s twitter, he makes it official spokeperson of Js. And write about them, what are they doing etc – no bodyguard it his right mind wouldn’t do such a thing, it’s stupid and attention-whorish.
>>I’m not a fan of Gen. But I don’t go around spewing hate towards her.
Ppl have every right to express their opinion about her terrible ‘actor skills’ and her arrogant interviews – sorry, thet’s it.
>>She has her own career and doesn’t have to rely on Jensen to get work.
That’s why he constantly mentions it in her twitter and never ever writes about SPN, SPN fandom, Jensen, Jensen’s fans…
>>If you don’t like somebody, fine. But that doesn’t give you the right to threaten her as so many haters have.
I’m not trying to excuse them, but every celebrity has their fair share of hate on twitter. Every. From Paris Hilton to Misha Collins. Some more, some less, but they all do. If that upsets them that much, maybe it’s better don’t participate in such thing at all? Or, you know, reply to positive comments, not to search only hate, cuz if you look it up youself, you’ll see, that the vast majority of @replys to Danneel are in fact very nice and loving. ~2-3 hateful on 100 praising. She just prefers to engage with haters to make herself looks like a victim, and fandom – like a snake pit.
I’d attempt to reply, but I have no idea what you said. Sorry, I don’t speak moron.
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First of all, why is it a bad thing that Clif is on twitter and facebook? So what? If you don’t like him, don’t read. It’s as simple as that.
Personally, I think he’s great. Him being on twitter and facebook protecting the boys and doing the vids shows to me that he really CARES about those he’s protecting. He’s going the extra mile, without getting paid for it. Name any other celeb who’s bodyguard cares that much about the person?
Clif has spent the last 3-4years protecting the boys.
If the boys did not approve of him doing so, why make the video on his behalf?
Roonie, I undersign under every word of yours. Well said.
GUYS, NONE OF THIS SHIT IS HELPING. The “fakers” GET OFF on you writing about them. It’s getting them attention, so they do what pisses you off MORE. It’s like a bully in high school: ignore it and they’ll go away. Show it bothers you and they go after you more.
If the people on Twitter are stupid enough to fall for it despite all the proof, they need help we can’t provide. And those who go to meet the fakers, deserve what they get for being so stupid, sry2say.
PS: I follow the fakes because I find them amusing, and because it’s fucking HILARIOUS seeing you guys get all bent out of shape about something so fucking STUPID.
We are all free to do what we want (including Clif, FandomPolice, fakers etc)… we can all make our own choices of what we support and what we do not. If you don’t believe that the fandom needs “policing” then ignore it, no one is getting hurt by this so who cares? It’s called freedom of speach… no one deserves to be hacked on here, everyone has their own opinions and are completely entitled to voice them!
Not everyone has to agree with fandom police or Clif etc, but respect them as people who are free to say what they want. No one deserves to be critizied over this, again – you don’t like it then don’t subscribe to the ideas etc… just ignore it and move on.
Peace, Love and all that Jazz;
Julie
It’s actually called Freedom of Speech.
@Jen… thanks so much for correcting my spelling, cause my spelling was certainly the point I was trying to get across… wow, people like to just point out these things instead of hearing what is said… I suppose now you will say you cannot hear typed comments…But thanks nonetheless for nothing.
What I find comical is labeling fans who don’t share this view as “crazies” or “fakers”. Just because you believe something a) doesn’t make it true, and b) doesn’t mean the entire world is going to agree with you. Similarly, just because someone disagrees, doesn’t make them insane or a freak. I can’t imagine living so insularly. How you manage to even get out of bed in the morning is the real question here– with so many unfounded biases.
I’m kind of shocked by the breadcrumb trail you expect everyone to follow, patching “evidence” together that Jensen and Jared fully support this kind behavior– all of it. You think, seriously, that either one of them is going to publicly chastise or degrade their staff on camera for everyone to see? Highly, highly doubtful. What’s surprising is that someone has to point this out to you.
Fandompolice? Are you serious???
God that is so sick, really.
Fandom is supposed to be fun and there shouldn’t be bullshit like this.
Who do you think you guys are that you can tell people if they are ‘real’ fans or not? STFU!!!
You have no right to determine who is a “real” fan.